Wow, did I ever stir the pot last week. My previous post on a certain celebrity, charitable giving and the church all made for a blog recipe that was bold in flavor. I got tons of feedback, most on facebook where I import my posts to. As well an anonymous reader (or readers) gave me some food for thought, and I had a stimulating online dialogue with a group of Christians who have basically walked away from the institutional church. I followed a link that someone gave me, and if you want to see the conversation you can click here. To everyone who gave me feedback I thank you; you've helped me in the process of rounding out my views. After some thought and prayer I decided to follow up last week's post with a response that, by applying the wording to myself, I hope to make a case for why I (and perhaps you as well) need the church. This is mainly intended for my Christian readers, but hopefully my "secular" readers (who probably say "So what?") will see the benefits as well.
Now, when I say "the church" I refer here to a local, organized assembly of believers. There's the concept of the "universal" or "Catholic" church (not to be confused here with Roman Catholicism) that all believers in all nations and for all time are a part of "the church." Those who object to the idea that Christians need to "go to church" say that they haven't left the universal church but rather the local church. They basically left because they were jaded by issues of leadership, money, doctrine, or whatever else that's turned them off. I don't blame them. I've been disappointed by the church too. As a former leader in the church I've seen the other side of doing church, and it's not pretty at times. You find out things about people and deal with issues that you wish you didn't know or have to handle. But does that give me license to just walk away from the church? Why do I need the church?
In a nutshell, the church is where I experience Jesus. And believe me, there's nothing better than experiencing Jesus. Whether it's at my home church of Calvary Baptist or Harvest Vineyard, my home-away-from home, or any number of other churches I've visited where the people love Jesus, I encounter Him there. When I worship God in a corporate setting I feel His love. When I receive teaching about God's kingdom and apply it to my life I become more like Him. When I serve others with the gifts that I have I sense God's pleasure on me. Guilt doesn't motivate me to attend church, but relationship does. Not only with Jesus but with people. In fact it's through relationships with people that I come to know Jesus more. I need the prayers and encouragement of those who love me, both parishioners and pastors. I've been blessed by the wisdom and guidance of godly people, and if I had not been mentored by the church leaders in my life I would not be the person I am today (which would not be a good thing). And I can't get much of this by jumping from church to church every Sunday, or not at all for that matter. I need to put down roots somewhere so that people can get to know me, and I know them, so I can encounter Jesus in a deeper way.
The church also is a resource for those in need; not only spiritually or relationally, but materially. I've been the personal recipient, on more than one occasion, of the generosity of the church in times of great need. And I'm not the only one; for several years now my home church (Calvary) has sent teams to Mexico to build houses for the poor. Two years ago we began sending groups to Vancouver to minister to people in their inner city. And once a month we send a group, on a Sunday morning, downtown to give away food, toiletry and clothing to the poor. We've spontaneously taken up oblation offerings for people in our congregation who have hit on hard times. We took up an offering for the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami victims. I can go on and on here. I'm not saying that we couldn't do more, but I am saying that the church, as an organized institution, can be a force for good in the world. I know it's made a difference in my life, and I know it's made a difference in the lives of others. I guess that's another reason why Bono hits a nerve with me - that there are actually churches out there that are doing the very thing he's saying they're not doing, which is helping the poor.
I understand the reasons why some people don't think they need the church. But honestly I just can't relate to them, especially when they say that God "told them" to leave the church. It flies in the face of everything I've read in the Bible and it flies in the face of everything I've experienced. Again, we see the world for who we are and not so much for what it is. So if your experience with the church has left you jaded, let me ask you this: Why throw out the baby with the bathwater? If the church you attend spends more money on its pastor or building than its worth, does that mean God has left the church along with you? Like I said in my last post, Jesus didn't let the hypocrisy of the day stop Him from going to the Synagogue every Sabbath, and neither should it stop me from going to church on Sunday. Besides, I have been just as much a part of the problem myself at times. So if I decided to stop attending church it's not so much as an indictment on others, but myself. Judge not and you will not be judged, Jesus said. It's a good word I constantly need to remind myself, especially when I'm in church on Sunday.
3 comments:
Hendricks,
I have actually written several comments on your blog, but have only erased them because I felt them to be too sharp in tone.
I'm a little unsure that we had a stimulating conversation over at our blog since you bowed out after just a couple of comments.
Maybe my second comment there was too much. If so, I apologize. Though I still stand by by cautionary words to not assume too much about a person by one post.
Unfortunately, I must point this problem out again. You say that people who have left the local church have done so "because they were jaded."
I will say that I left the institutional church after much discussions and prayer. I left with sadness, not anger. My sadness over the years has turned into more of a righteous indignancy, which is vastly different from being jaded. If I didn't think some sort of reform was possible, then I would have walked away and not looked back.
There are a couple of points I take issue with in this post, but before I mention them I need to bring up a more pressing issue.
You say you experience Jesus in church. That's fine. But the way you say it, using terms like "in a nutshell" and :home-away-from-home," it sound like the only place you can meet Jesus is in a church building setting.
Is this true, or have I read your words and intention incorrectly?
I don't want to go on until you clarify this point for me, as I may be reading the post in the wrong way. So if you could address this point first so that I can continue this conversation with the proper understanding of what you meant.
Thanks.
-mike
Hi Mike,
Thanks for commenting. No apologies necessary; in fact I bowed out because I realized that as much as I feel the need to make my point it's more important for people to feel like they're heard. This is a passionate topic for you and what you have to say is important, not just to me but to God too.
I can't imagine what must have happened to you and others like you that was so hurtful that you walked away from the institutional church. For that I'm sorry and it sounds like it wasn't a snap decision. I will reply to your question in the context of speaking for myself.
I encounter Jesus in many different ways, whether it's serving the needs of the persons with disabilities I work with, looking up at an amazing mountain view or in my (mostly) daily devotional times. But being with "the church" has been the *best* place where I encounter Jesus, whether it's during the Saturday night/Sunday morning service, weekly small group meeting, the retreats we do as a body or simply having coffee with my pastor (or anyone else I "go to church" with).
I look forward to hearing more about what you have to say. And Jesus, give me ears to hear what Mike has to say. It's important to him and it's important to you too.
I must press that what caused me to no longer attend an institutional church wasn't hurtful. Far from it actually, as I still talk to many of the people from the churches I have attended.
In fact, I went disc golfing the other day with the worship leader from the last church I attended.
So why did I leave if I wasn't hurt? Well here is a laundry list of reasons:
For most churches there is a human hierarchical system. I don't think followers of Jesus should be 'over' one another. It breeds complacency. Rather, each person should be working with one another in mutual support. This requires more committment and active participation than is required in the current model. And that in effect is going to turn people away becasue they want something easy and handed to them. Think rich young ruler parable.
I don't think there should be buildings. Buildings create budgets, budgets require money. In order to generate money, a congregation must be established and grown. This distorts Jesus' prayer to go and make disciples into an evangelical market share mindset.
Tithing as it is practiced today in nowhere near the biblical model of 10%. In fact, it goes against the early church models of everything in community. Tithing is used to support a budget.
Sunday as the primary service. Not only are the origins of moving the Sabbath to Sunday anti-jewish, they exclude the working class. Generally those with weekends off have better jobs, jobs that aren't shift work.
Your claim of Sunday being the best place to meet Jesus is not inclusive, which I believe Jesus was inclusionary. It excludes those who live in repressive nations, hostile nations, and even those poor folks who have to work on Sundays.
Both the Sunday service and the building lead to a static exsistence. They tie people down and leave them little room to maneuver, which seems an afront to the idea of following the Holy Spirit.
The Sunday service and the building are for current believers in reality, but are referred to as a place for non-believers to come. Due to the desire of people to attend something that doesn't require effort (think pew-warmers) any extra time to create something for those curious about the teachings of Christ is right out, so the Suday service is touted as something for everyone. It isn't. It ends up being stagnant for those who have been believers for longer because the message is never deeper or a Q&A session for fear of those who might be new or curious believers getting turned off.
And the people who might need to hear the freeing message of Jesus aren't going to step foot into a building they deem to hold judgemental people, even if that is a wrong stereotype on their part.
I can expand more on those, but needless to say I think the model, not necessarily the people, is a flawed way to represent following Christ. And I think that is a vitally important distinction. The institutional church (i.e. the buildings, the titles, the heirarchy, the format) is not the human church (i.e. the people, both locally and globally)
You yourself said that you meet Jesus in places other than church. Well, what if maybe, just maybe, for others those "other places" are more important?
I know that admitting that another way is possible, maybe even better, seems to shake the foundational pillars of western Christianity, but I'll leave you with two examples of other ideas that shook our religious foundations to their core. Jesus verses the Temple system. And Luther verses the Roman Catholic Church.
To think that we are at the pinnicle of Christianity is to forget our history and act as though God might not have anything better than mega-churches in store for us.
-mike
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